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I only got to see the popes 3 times. Of those three times I can really only say I knew the material the last time because I caught on to late. I am little older than the average fan and at the time the popes were doing there thing I was raising a family which I still am, but my spouse wasn't working and I had limited funds which for music was tied up with Motorhead and Cheap Trick as far as live shows went. I knew of the popes from the need you around video on MTV when they actually played music videos but other than that I did not invest any time in them. Boy I wish would have now I could have seen them a whole bunch and they would have fit into the budget, shame on me. Anyways in early 1997 a friend and I went to the lounge ax because it was cheap and who was playing that night the popes. Again other than need you around I was lost, but I did enjoy the set a lot and I bought Destination Failure after this show. Well I loved the record but I did not have a computer at the time so I did not see them again until early 1998. Again shame on me I just didn't put the effort in. Well fast forward to April 1998 I am going to one of the Cheap Trick shows at The Metro where they did 4 night stand of 4 different albums. I picked the Budakan album because that was the @#%$ when I was 13 again I am showing my age. Well low and behold who was the opener that night? the popes. It was a great show and other than the df material, need you around and the cover of CT voices I still was a little lost. It was also Tom Dailys last show with them as there touring guitarist. One song that really stuck out that night that I still did not own yet, was Do Something it rocked. So now I got serious and bought born to quit and I was hooked. But I still did not own the ep's, which I do now, all of them. No.2 is my personal favorite, I love artwork. Anyways they played the metro on Nov.25 1998 and recorded the live album and I was blocks away seeing Cheap Trick at the Vic the same night. Stupid me I probably could have seen both shows but I was to busy backstage meeting some childhood favorites instead of seeing the popes. I regret that a little but I always thought hey I can see the popes again. Then I did get to Dec.20 or 19 they played the Double Door and it was excellent. They even played Linus and Lucy the Charlie Brown Theme. I was a huge Chuck fan when I was a kid it was great. I vowed not to miss another popes show, but then it was all over. They broke up and the rest is history. Fast forward to spring 2002. I am driving to work and I am listening to fm 89.1 and I hear a song that sounds like the popes that I have not heard before because by now I own there whole catalog and this song is not on any of it. I do have a computer by now and I discover Duvall thanks to Eric's great website and his devotion to them. I find that 3/4 of the popes had reformed under the name Duvall and I was a happy camper. They have had a few changes in the band since that point but I have not missed a local show or Wisconsin show since. I just love the songs Josh writes and can't get enough of it. I wish I could have seen the popes more, a mistake I will not make with Duvall. So I am glad I got to enjoy the popes for the short time that I did because if I hadn't I probably would have missed Duvall early on to and that would have been a huge mistake.
- Greg "Lemmy" Havemann
added January 18,2004
Just a couple of weeks ago my cousin handed me this hand-me-down, cheap, burned c.d. (not that i promote the burning of c.d.s...) which was by a band named the smoking popes. Now me being the typical naive high school student who doesnt like any music he never heard of did not play it untill just recently. When i heard the first song and heard it was acoustic i quickly turned it off. I decided to give it another shot and within the end of the Destination Failure c.d. i was hooked. Now sadly, to say the least, i immediatly started asking my friends if they have heard of them. No one had. I went online to check out their next show dates but sadly i learned that the Smoking Popes had split up. I was bummed. I did however like the Alkaline Trio. I think that people should not be like me and open up not only their minds, but their heart and soul. No matter how much you hate one kind of music you need to keep in mind that everyone is a musician. People are the same. They want the same
thing. I am just glad that i had the chance to hear the Smoking Popes. It sucks i couldnt see em live but i am certain they were great.

Jeff Hutton
April 25 2005

Added July 4, 2005

Hello.
My name is SHIN.
I am "SMOKING POPES/DUVALL"fan in JAPAN.

I saw "NEEDED: Fan Tribute and Memories (web)".
I made a "SMOKING POPES cover song".
song called "Missing Out".
yes,this is old my favourite " smoking popes" song.
This is "mp3" URL!
Download Missing Out
however,I am "terrible singer..".
please hear it.Thank you!
my english is bad..sorry.
regards.
-Shin(Japan)
added January 18,2004

Just like Lemmy, I didn't get into the Popes until it was to late. I had seen them as opening bands a few times, and really liked them. But I never went out and bought any cd's. It wasn't until my friend brought me the live album that I was hooked for life. My favorite memory though, was when we were off to the Metro. I think we were going to see Naked Raygun, but my husband thinks it may have been Pegboy (help me out here if anyone knows!). Anyway, we're drivin up to the Metro and the sign out front says Rubella Blend. "Huh? Rubella Blend, who's that?" Only one of us was smart enough to catch on, and I hear from the backseat somewhere- "HOLY ****, IT'S THE SMOKING POPES!!!!" I wish I could remember more of that show, cuz I've been told that it was a good one. I kick myself for not paying more attention back then. But, I am so so happy that we all have Duvall now. They rock harder then anyone out there, and couldn't be any nicer either. Josh, Eli, Rob...I love you guys, and thanks for everything you've given us!
- Dawn
added January 18,2004
 
One summer night I was driving in my car when all at once from out of seemingly nowhere . . .

It was 1995 in Toledo, Ohio and for some odd reason I was listening to the radio. I guess because I was only 17 and still had some interest in modern rock radio (or alternative radio, whatever we called it back then). A song came on that was like nothing of the time, with fast pop-punk flavor but with a voice far from the Green Day imitators that were currently running rampant. I tried my best to remember some of the words the next day. I had just started working at a Harmony House record store and by my description of what I heard the previous night, one of my coworkers referred me to an advance cassette we had received from our Capitol rep, Diane. The song was "Need You Around," and the tape dominated my car stereo that summer. Diane also sent us a Born To Quit t-shirt after we made an endcap for the record.

Within a month of my discovery of the Popes, they came to Toledo with You Am I from Australia. They played at a venue called the Underground to an audience of six, all of whom I could name. I remember being very impressed with Josh's guitar work at this show. Given that I only had an advance cassette, I didn't even know the singer played guitar - let alone that he handled all the lead work. I was a little disappointed that Josh improvised with most of the melody lines, as I was trying to sing along; but don't get me wrong, this show was kick-ass (even though I'm sure the bands considered it a flop).

I'm not sure of the exact date of that show, but I am pretty sure it was the first weekend of August 1995. This is based on an interview that my friend, and Harmony House coworker, Tim Bueter did with the You Am I singer Tim Rogers for the Toledo monthly Glass Eye music zine. In the interview (http://www.youami.com.au/articles/art25.html), Mr. Rogers recalls eating meat for the last time in Toledo at the annual Rib-Off downtown, which is always the first weekend in August. Tim Rogers eventually released a song called “The Smokin' Popes,” which reminisced about this tour and mentions the Rib-Off. The song was released on a limited edition bonus disc entitled The Temperance Union that came with their Dress Me Slowly record.

I saw the Popes three more times; a year later, 1996, at the Shelter in Detroit with The Figgs and Jimmy Eat World, and twice on the Winter Dance Party tour in 1998 with Triple Fast Action and Menthol. It has been quite a while, but I remember hearing the song “Paul” for the first time in Detroit.

My friend Keith, who worked at a CD Warehouse down the road, received an advance copy of Destination Failure at least three months before it came out. He dubbed me a copy and again, the tape was in my car for the entire summer (1997). I didn't think it could get better than Born To Quit, but they truly outdid themselves. This album spoke to me. Several of us at Harmony House submitted top-ten lists for 1997 to our Capitol rep, who assembled them together into a small mailer. I left the store on New Year's Day 1998 to start an internship. A week later I got a call from the store saying that Capitol had sent me a 10" single of “I Know You Love Me” for including Destination Failure as my #1 for 1997. Later that day, I got another call saying that the district manager was there to close the store forever, so I needed to come down and pick up my last check and the record. My two and half year stint as a record store employee started and ended with The Smoking Popes. (Harmony House is a Detroit based chain that only carries music, not movies, books etc. We were store #32 and there are now only two remaining stores, one of which only sells classical.)

The Winter Dance Party Tour was powerhouse. I was really into the self-titled Menthol CD. Their new songs were equally great and I specifically remember hearing “Strange Living” for the first time at the show in Cleveland. Their record Danger: Rock Science, containing this and many other great songs, wouldn't be released for another four and a half years, another example of Capitol dropping the ball on a great band.

Strangely enough for me, Frankie's in Toledo was the last leg of this tour. My friend Tim, who I mention above, interviewed Josh and Eli before this show for the Glass Eye (he's trying to track down a copy of this interview for me. I'll send it to Smokingpopes.net as soon as I can). He remembers it not being that great of an interview, but the show was fantastic. I remember hearing the Popes play “Writing a Letter,” which I'd never heard before and loved, and wouldn't hear again until 1991-1998 came out, as well as their cover of Jack Wagner's “All I Need” as an intro to “Need You Around.” My mother was a big General Hospital fan in the 80's so I was very familiar with “All I Need” and found this tremendously amusing.

Being the last city of the tour, the Triple Fast Action guys pulled some pranks on Menthol and the Popes. Tim recalls seeing the Menthol drummer hitting his snare for the first time of the night and a cloud of talcum powder rising into his eyes. My friend Josh also recalls a member of Triple Fast Action running up on stage naked while the Popes were playing; either he hallucinated, or I blocked that out. They also put hot sauce on all the vocal microphones which aggravated the Popes and Menthol. A week later, my band at the time played at Frankie’s and the sauce residue was still apparent. In true fanboy fashion, I was happy to share a mic used by the Smoking Popes.

So far, I've only seen Duvall once and they were equally rocktastic (although the show was in Detroit and my car window was smashed while we were inside). I love their releases with the same passion that the Popes records ignited. I am glad Josh has decided to continue writing and playing music and that he is now satisfied that what he is doing has true meaning. As I'm sure anyone who makes it this far into this account would agree, his music means a great deal to me.

Brandon Boltz
May 1st, 2004
Added May 5, 2004

The first time I saw the Smoking Popes was their first show at McGregor's, in Elmhurst, Illinois.
They were still "Speedstick" at the time. No one had ever heard of them before; no one knew
where they had come from or anything. They were the opening band, but they blew everyone
away. After they played, I asked them if they would be interested in playing on the radio, at
WZRD-FM, Northeastern Illinois Universiry's radio station. They agreed, and a few weeks later
they were on the air on a Thursday night at 10pm.

A few weeks after that, they were playing at McGregor's again. I had been toying with the idea
of starting an indie record label, and approached the band about releasing some material. They
had already recorded some tracks, and were thinking about doing a cassette. I convinced them
that it would be better to do a 7" EP release. I put up most of the money, with the band wanting
to put some of their own money in as well. We had the records pressed at United, down in
Tennessee, and the sleeves and inserts were printed at a local AlphaGraphics. I remember
when I received the test pressings in the mail, we all gathered at The Felumlee home and listened
to it over and over. Each of the band members kept one of the test pressings. When the final
EPs arrived, we spent a number of hours putting everything together.

I sent two EPs to MaximumRockNRoll, one for review and one for their syndicated radio show.
The review was good, but even better was the reaction from the radio people. They liked it so
much, that it ended up in the MRR year-end best of 1991 show; they played "Brand New
Hairstyle" in that program.

I remember bringing the EPs to shows all the time, selling a bunch at each one. At one show, I ended
up trading one to Ben Weasel for a Screeching Weasel "Punkhouse" 7". Ben wrote a review of "Inoculator"
for Jersey Beat magazine, in which he says it was "the best trade I ever made." The last of the 500 "Inoculator"
EPs was sold at a show at the SKRAP skatepark in Hoffman Estates (at a show the Popes weren't playing).

Paul Silver
formerly Radius Records
Added July 4, 2005

i drove all the way from GR, and it was worth it

Feb. 1998. I was going to college in Grand Rapids, MI. My girlfriend was
living about 5 hours away. I told her the Popes would be playing an hour
away in E. Lansing the following weekend. Smoking Popes were about the best
band in the world, and neither of us had ever seen them play before. Neither
of us had really even been to Lansing, either. She came down, and we left to
the show. As soon as we were pulling out of the parking lot at school my car
started smelling funny and losing power. Forget it...We're going to see the
Popes. It was dark and cold, as February normally is in Michigan. We got to
Lansing and had no idea where this club, Small Planet, could be..ask someone
at Burger King. They'll know. We stopped at Burger King. They didn't know.
We came back outside to start the car...click click. Nothing. Nothing. We
don't have much time, let's walk. The Popes should be around here,
somewhere. So we started walking through Michigan's February, cold and lost.

I'm not sure how, but a half hour later we found ourselves standing outside
Small Planet. Smoking Popes would happen afterall, forget about the car.
Except...we weren't 21. Sorry, guys, not going to happen tonight. Suck it
up. The Small Planet had a huge bay window. We'll watch through glass.
Whatever. Turns out, there wasn't really anyone even there to see the Popes.
There was one drunken fool up front spazzing out without reason. Everyone
else was seated, talking about the weather. The band picked up on this right
off. Josh wasn't playing to the crowd, he was playing to my girlfriend and
I, watching from the sidewalk. He crooned and gestured to us. "Days just
wave goodbye..." We were very happy.

After the show the tour manager came out to chat with us. He then brought
out the band to say hello. I could barely talk and sound silly, I'm sure.
After talking a little while we told them about the car. Next thing we knew
we were sitting in the backseat of Josh's tan station wagon on our way back
to Burger King. Too cool. Too surreal. Too nice of a bunch of guys.

They tried to give us a jump start. Nothing. This was not good. "Well, you
guys could come back to our hotel and stay with us, while you figure out
what you want to do."...Ho.ly.Cow.

The Smoking Popes hotel scene was much liked we'd hoped. Them just sitting
around reading and making fun of the lousy tv shows. They gave us a sleeping
bag and blankets and pillows and a place to sleep. Josh wore a full
long-john outfit. I remember laughing about that..So we tried to sleep. But
were a little too excited to even close our eyes.

The next morning they took us to Bob Evan's for breakfast, then gave us a
ride back to the car. Josh even gave us a couple of homemade cassettes for
the ride back home...Jennyanykind and YouamI. Both totally rad, as I
remember. We thanked them again. And again. Then the Popes drove off for
Detroit.

God bless the Popes.

(epilogue: turns out my dad knew a nice guy in the area who replaced the
alternator for us..happy endings all around)

Joel Potrykus
Added July 4, 2005

n '97 I bought a BMX video magazine called Props Issue 20. In that video were two Popes songs recorded from the vinyl release of "Before I'm Gone"/"Pasted". I must have watched that video hundreds of times and there were alot of great songs on it but "Before I'm Gone" was my favorite. I actually made a crude recording of the song from the video onto a cassette once so I could listen to it in my car. I was always looking for Smoking Popes cd's but never could find any until about two years later when I found a copy of Destination Failure. I spent my last $12 on it and man am I glad I did. I eventually found Born to Quit thanks to a friend who had two copies, and the live record which I feel is the best live cd I've heard. I was bummed that I'd never get to see them play, but then I heard Josh had formed a new band! I kept tabs on Duvall for a few weeks and was somewhat hesitant about purchasing the Racine ep. Then they came to the Metro in Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania in
November of '03 and played to about 5 people and were sooooo good. I was mesmerized and of course I bought Volume and Density (and a shirt). The guys in the band were great to talk to as well, and thankfully I got to see them play again a few weeks ago at a church in Milton which was a great show also. I'm planning on coming to Chicago so I can see them play to the home crowd which I'm sure would be a great show. I still listen to the popes almost every day. Josh is a great songwriter. Too bad everyone realized it too late.
this is really long so feel free to edit if you want. great site by the way!

Scott Kline Sunbury PA
Added July 4, 2005